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This thing has gone on long enough. Thanks to extremely targeted promotion of one tweet, many BJP supporters who accuse me of it get used to unintentionally participate in a sexualized trolling campaign by BJP's gutter wing. Several have apologized after coming to know the full story. So, this post is addressed to Modi fans - bhakts in common parlance who may or may not be intentionally engaging in something they would otherwise find obscene.

This post is not a defense of that tweet. I do not feel sorry for it and I stand by it and it has not been answered to date. It is merely the larger picture around the tweet that allows you to make an informed choice on how low you are willing to fall in order to attack people.

Since I have finally been able to download my tweet archive, here is the series of tweets relevant in that scenario. Some are from me, some are from others. Some supporting me, some attacking me, some by me attacking the trolls as well as BJP's signature sexualized trolling. To be noted here is that since this happened, I have also seen supporters of AAP doing this on occasion, but the overwhelming "market leader" continues to be BJP.

There is good reason to believe that this behavior is part of BJP's media strategy given the revelations in Operation Blue Virus stings, the fact that the Gujarat government under Modi explicitly created social media budgets (at Gujarat state expense) and that some of the most abusive profiles are followed by our Prime Minister's Twitter account - independently verifiable.

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It was election time and anonymous handles supporting BJP were out in full force. These handles execute organized trolling attacks on critics of BJP using a combination of statements taken out of context and interpreted to create offense, false accusations and sexual insults - particularly against women critical of BJP. These tweets are also used to incite regular followers of BJP against critics and create an overall sense of BJP being wrongfully under attack.

This is not a new thing. However, it seems to be escalating and I chose to not accept the defiling and deliberate hostile environment that is aimed at silencing criticism of BJP. Over the week leading to this, I as well as several other women had been the targets of extremely obscene attacks by the "bhakts" as they are called for their unreasoning worship of Modi and relentless attacks on his critics.

The nature of these organized attacks is to intimidate or shame women into silence. Some of the tweets spoke of me having 10 fathers. Earlier I had been asked about the "rate" I charge for my son - implying I prostitute him to pedophiles. I have been accused of being a "lesbian" (it is apparently an insult in bhakt lingo). The broom shoved between my legs has featured in many sneering insults (implying sexual favors to the Aam Aadmi Party). And more.

These are 100 tweets from that day, removing irrelevant replies or comments.

 

 

 

This is where shit hit fan.

BJP supporters started targeting me with insults. I replied to some, ignored others, etc.

It was one of these tweets that got a reply telling me that I "open my legs for Kejriwal". When I was told that I "open my legs" for Kejriwal (the week before that it was promoting me as the date for AAP politician Ashutosh for the kissing festival) and more, I asked back if it was normal for women in BJP to "open your legs" for Modi. Was that why BJP supporters kept assuming sexual favors to politicians in the actions of women who didn't support Modi?

 

 

A second tag floated by @AListRap started trending as people got angry with the content on #OpenYourLegs

And then I did what I often do to tags that bully people. How could I do any less than that for myself?

I participated the tag, disrupted it and turned its tone.

Many people were also furious. Angad Singh blogged about what had happend on The Young Indian blog.

https://twitter.com/waterfiresand/statuses/528594279325655041

 

Even BJP supporters were apalled in their own ways.

 

 

And there were a few who got uncomfortable, but couldn't bring themselves to quite say that sexualized trolling is wrong, but still thought it should not be done because it gives "publicity" to me. Yeah. Strategy backfiring is a problem. Abusing women should be fine.

Rattled trolls made me a target of a solid 3 day campaign of sleaze. The quote "open your legs" which was quoted originally from an accusation leveled at me (by a female profile) became a meme. Tweets ranged from the mundane "hey bitch #openyourlegs" to elaborate poems, jokes and more.

 

The tag continues to get criticism

But it isn't only me. Every woman with a real profile who criticises BJP meets this treatment sooner or later and at the same time from a horde of handles. Yesterday it was Sonakshi Sinha (who happens to be the daughter of Shatrugan Sinha - a BJP leader currently not kowtowing to high command) and Sonam Kapoor. But it is pretty normal for those who dislike BJP to face such attacks.

This is what you end up participating in, when you believe you are oh so defending. Because you're the cannon fodder to be fed information selectively so you will participate in a hostile mob. Whether you want to be used or not is your headache.

The abusive tweets are always made from anonymous profiles, they always defend BJP and they are never asked to exercise caution by any real BJP profile. The strategy of deniable bullying reaping profits for the party continues and it will continue till the masses decide that this is not acceptable for us.

It is not acceptable for me. I will not be intimidated into silence.

In any case, you, your shift and your overtime cannot shut me up.

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There was a interactive panel discussion in Mumbai WTC on the 29th of January 2015 organized by World Trade Centre (WTC) and All India Association of Industries (AIAI) in collaboration with the Indo-France Chamber of Commerce and Industries (IFCCI). It was to discuss ‘Smart Cities in India: Reality in the Making’.

Dignitaries on the stage included Mr. Sanjay Sethi (IAS) (Additional Metropolitan Commissioner-I, MMRDA), Ms. Laura Prasad (Secretary General, IFCCI), Dr. Laveesh Bhandari (Founder and Chief Economist, Indicus Analytics Pvt. Ltd.), Mr. Vijay Kalantri (President, AIAI and Vice Chairman, MVIRDC WTC), Mr. Shankar Aggarwal (IAS, Secretary, Ministry of Urban Development Government of India), Mr. Dilip Shekdar (Chief Architect, Naya Raipur Development Authority), Mr. Ravi Kant Malhan (Director, Head Business Development:  Smart Cities and Special Projects, Schneider Electric India), Capt. Somesh Batra (Vice Chairman, MVIRDC WTC) and  Mr. Abhishek Lodha (Managing Director, Lodha Group).

A journalist, Shruti Ravindran who had attended it, tweeted a photo of a shocking quote from a brochure 'Smart Cities in India: Reality in the Making' released during this event.

Smart cities that exclude the poor
Smart cities that exclude the poor

 

The quote in the above photo says:

...There are only two ways to keep people out of any space - prices and policing. In other words, the prices will automatically be higher in such cities - the notion that they will be low cost is flawed. Even if possible from a cost provision perspective, they cannot be low cost from a demand supply perspective.

Even with high prices, the conventional laws in India will not enable us to exclude millions of poor Indians from enjoying the privileges of such great infrastructure. Hence the police will need to physically exclude people from such cities, and they will need a different set of laws from those operating in the rest of India for them to be able to do so. Creating special enclaves is the only method of doing so. And therefore GIFT is an SEZ and so will each of these 100 smart cities have to be.

(excerpt from an article by Laveesh Bhandari, Founder and Chief Economist at Indicus Analytics Pvt Ltd)

So let me get this right. The government will be used to empty land to build smart cities in the name of developing the country. It will be called "inclusive development". And the smart cities built on this land will be for the rich - by design. And we are talking of a hundred cities, displacing god knows how many people. The police of the land will be used "on the tax payer's money" (as these hotshots like to call it) to keep the poor out of these cities using laws OTHER THAN INDIAN LAWS.

Am I the only one being reminded of Arundhati Roy's infamous quote that earned her the anger of the oh-so-innocent middle classes? Here it is, if you don't remember. And she said this in 2007.

We have a growing middle class, being reared on a diet of radical consumerism and aggressive greed. Unlike industrializing western countries which had colonies from which to plunder resources and generate slave labour to feed this process, we have to colonize ourselves, our own nether parts. We’ve begun to eat our own limbs. The greed that is being generated (and marketed as a value interchangeable with nationalism) can only be sated by grabbing land, water and resources from the vulnerable. What we’re witnessing is the most successful secessionist struggle ever waged in Independent India. The secession of the middle and upper classes from the rest of the country.

~ Arundhati Roy

This could be considered the impractical fantasy of rich men (albeit very rich men and sponsors of the ruling party behind this government), but the brochure also carries an introductory message from Shankar Aggarwal, IAS, Union Ministry of Urban Development, GOVERNMENT OF INDIA, not to mention him being personally present there and meeting journalists on the sidelines to announce the Framework for 100 smart cities to be ready by February.

Framework for 100 smart cities to be ready by February says Aggarwal - Moneylife
Framework for 100 smart cities to be ready by February says Aggarwal - Moneylife

Here are some relevant excerpts from the brochure including the message from Shankar Aggarwal, the program schedule of the event, including names of speakers, the profile of the author Dr. Laveesh Bhandari, the article itself, and another article on GIFT, which is referenced in this article as a model. Excerpts from Smart Cities in India: Reality in the Making

Given the opaque manner in which this government operates, as well as dramatic undermining of protections of local interests and environment through ordinances, such views should be a cause of alarm for citizens, if the much heralded development is going to actually be displacement on a massive scale, disenfranchisement of local populations and their explicit exclusion from the "growth story" while the rich use the country's power to get land for their shangri-las, use the country's resources "24/7" (can this ever be promised to those who will be displaced to create these "enclaves"?) and use the country's police force to protect what will essentially be elite facilities barred to the common masses through special laws created to protect the elite.

I imagine, the elites will also only be paying for their actual residences and the cost of creating these havens for them will also have to be borne by the country.

Is this development or colonization of India by the rich? The Gujarat model is all set to exploit India as well. All we need are new signboards, "Poor citizens and dogs not allowed"

Realizing the power of Social Media, the Congress plans to fortify its virtual bastions. Unfortunately traditions die hard, and the person to lead this supposed revolutionary idea happens to be none other than Rahul Gandhi - who happens to have no known voice on Twitter, Facebook...

I support the cause of the Jan Lokpal movement, but am concerned by Arvind Kejriwal's latest statement.

This government will be responsible if anything happens to Anna: Kejriwal #lokpal
starnewslive
August 25, 2011

I believe that this is false and incites anger against the government. I think it weakens Satyagraha to lose its insistence on Satya.

 

The following are my thoughts on the subject.

I disagree that govt is responsible if anything happens to #Anna. He made a choice. Team Anna made a choice when chose this means of protest
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
However, I think there needs to be skilled handling of the issue, considering conditions in the country. Feeling pessimistic about govt
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
If the govt had handled the protests well, when Kejriwal said "you are responsible", they could look in eye and say "no". Now, kid gloves.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
It is not the way of truth to blame others for our choices or consequences. Kejriwal was wrong and misleading to guide a country into blame.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
At the same time, the govt should not overreact to Kejriwal's words and hold the bigger heart. Compassion, not threats.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
The govt is negotiating. They are not very bright, but they can't be held responsible if someone starves himself to death.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
I still support the IAC, but this blame game must not happen. The citizens made a choice. They can break fast and choose another protest too
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
Time for citizens of India to think deeply about the nature of Satyagraha. It is a choice, not a compulsion. The govt compelled no one
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
If govt responsible if anything happens to Anna, then govt must have right to make him eat. Can't b responsible for what they don't control.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
Satyagraha is acting from our deepest truth. Our truth is that the govt couldn't prevent Anna starving himself. Don't stray in tough time!
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
I'll get lynched for this, but Kejriwal's words are sedition - inciting people against govt. Very wrong. Also insult to Anna's integrity.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
I demand that Kejriwal withdraws his statement. Must not use support for Satyagraha for blackmailing. This is corruption too!
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
If the govt is to be blamed for the consequences of a Satyagraha, then its achievements are also govt achievements.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
Satyagraha is about asserting rights, needs in a peaceful manner. The idea is not about blame games, but sacrificing as much as needed.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
I am not against Anna. I believe in this movement for the Jan Lokpal. I believe that Kejriwal's statement is wrong and weakens it.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
I don't believe in blame games. I don't support them. That is my truth. @AmritHallan
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
I accept that it is an emotional time for all. I accept worry and hurt can make us lash out in blame. It must be evaluated and withdrawn.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
Agreed. RT @crguna: @Vidyut Expecting the corrupt to hang themselves did not work. The only alternative is a long struggle.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
Absolute power corrupts. It is not only the govt responsible for it. Arvind Kejriwal derailed today.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
A good way ahead for Team Anna right now is to think calmly and carefully. Ask Anna who should be blamed, if need be. He knows. His choice.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
Now is such a bad moment to find out IAC supporters understand Jan Lokpal Bill well, but not Satyagraha. Very important. Tough time ahead.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
I don't remember if I called it blackmail. It is not. You can't blackmail with an opinion. You just have it. Contd
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
But it is false and ethically wrong. Weakens satyagrah. What is a satyagrah without satya? A person's responsibility belongs to him.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
The responsibility of Anna's actions lies with Anna. Concern, fear or grief can't change that. That is my truth.
Vidyut
August 24, 2011
It is also an insult to anna to call his powerful choice something he was forced to do. I would hate it if my sacrifice were called that.
Vidyut
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A discussion about voting and its role in transforming the political climate of India.
What is this voting people talk about? 40% population voting carefully will bring same results as 80%. The question is who to vote for.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut nope it wont - out of 40% ppl voting - v know who r voting
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
NOT voting is also a political statement. A statement that I don't trust any of the options.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
we are too given to pat solutions we like the sound of. Very little analysis of where the problem really lies.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
.@sureshnakhua it is a fantasy that the people not voting would have voted how you like. No real proof.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut if u see voting patterns - and analyse data - u wud see that we middle class enjoy our holiday on voting day
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua so that is their political statement. They don't see anyone worth wasting their holiday to vote for.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua never helps to deny reality for an interpretation.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut its not a political statement - its cynicism - dammit v hold arm in arm and candle marches after 26/11 and then vote 40%
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut do u justify that ?
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua nothing to justify. free country.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut agree its a free country - thts why voting shud be compulsory and not as a right
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut didnt get u
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua free and compulsory are opposite in meaning. Doesn't make sense to say voting shuld be compulsory because it is a free country
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut being a free country - isnt it compulsory to take ur birth certificates (for admsn),driving licences (for driving),passports (trvlg)
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut simple if u want govt benefits / contracts / facilities - u need to vote - EVM's can be made to generate receipts
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua I am willing to attend an election and mark present. If I must exert choice, I must have freedom to not exert it.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua I still don't see a relation between voting and becoming 'deserving' of all those facilities you mentioned. @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut You must also have the freedom to not go and mark "present". @sureshnakhua
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua If I want government benefits, all I need to be is a citizen. The rest is political brainwash.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua Why, so? @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua then let us stop pretending to be a democracy.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@KetPan already sec 149 exists for that but hs never been publicised @Vidyut
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua No, I'm not taking the Constitution as sacrosanct. What's the rationale behind voting being mandatory/obligatory? @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@KetPan u need a licence to drive. u need a PAN card to get contracts. tell me if i m wrong @Vidyut
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua Yes, you need them. Though, am not sure of reason for there to be PAN card to get contracts. @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut so wht do we mean by democracy? taking out candle march after every attack ?
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua You don't need a licence to ride a bus! only to drive. why should non politicians be forced to vote? @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua I don't see how voting would be any more effective than candle light marches! 😀 @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@KetPan agree COnstitution is not sacrosanct. Thts y this amendment is needed. and yes u wud need PAN for everything @Vidyut
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua you're being absurd. I have no time for assumptions. where do candlelight marches come from?
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut if v dont vote we dont hv any effing right to criticise the politicians @Vidyut
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua you don't need PAN for everything. If you are not paying taxes, you don't need PAN @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@KetPan @sureshnakhua @Vidyut I advice book "Predictably Irrational" a book on behavioural economics you will see merit in mandatory voting
AnilAarush
July 29, 2011
@AnilAarush Surely, you can summarize the thrust point in a few tweets? Thanks! @sureshnakhua @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut candle marches come from outrage after 26/11 and a mere 40% voting in General elexn @KetPan
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@KetPan @sureshnakhua @Vidyut As long as there is none of these options I guess it's as close to free thinking as a mandatory duty can get.
AnilAarush
July 29, 2011
RT @sureshnakhua: @Vidyut candle marches come from outrage after 26/11 and a mere 40% voting in General elexn @KetPan
eswarsrinivas
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua Yes but what you state is based on the premise that voting is a 'solution' to terrorist attacks, with which I disagree @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua I am a believer in democracy. I fucking HATE candlelight marches. I find them dishonest. Don't assume. @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@AnilAarush But why make it mandatory duty in the first place? @sureshnakhua @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut @KetPan the ideal situation would be mandatory voting with none of the above / present but not voted option @AnilAarush
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
RT @sureshnakhua: @Vidyut @KetPan the ideal situation would be mandatory voting with none of the above / present but not voted option @AnilAarush
AnilAarush
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua But how's that 'ideal' and how is that a 'solution'? 🙂 @Vidyut @AnilAarush
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua opening bank account. Accepting payments in that bank account, fixed deposits, depositing money in accounts under 50k @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@KetPan no no voting is not a soln to terrorism - it is a long term soln to get better politicos @Vidyut @AnilAarush
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua Are we of the belief that the 40% who vote, do so for exactly the politician who'd *support* terrorists? @Vidyut @AnilAarush
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@KetPan @sureshnakhua @Vidyut Human mind is wired to act on deadlines that too if it comes with penalty otherwise it just dithers aimlessly
AnilAarush
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua By what exact *mechanism* will higher voter turn out ensure better politicians? @Vidyut @AnilAarush
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut ok agreed u r believer of democracy - can u tell how mandatory voting will hurt democracy ?
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua @KetPan @Vidyut Precisely these things are not fix all switches, effects will be visible only in course of time
AnilAarush
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua you cannot get better politicos with more/better voting if all the options are not good. @KetPan @AnilAarush
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@KetPan whts wrong with it - ur comments @Vidyut @AnilAarush
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@KetPan @sureshnakhua @Vidyut I won;t be able to do justice to the book in few tweets, it anyway is easy mellifluous read download and read
AnilAarush
July 29, 2011
@KetPan voting is of course not the solution but a way to choose better solution makers @sureshnakhua @Vidyut
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua I never said there's anything "wrong" with voting. Am asking how exactly is it a virtue? @Vidyut @AnilAarush
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua by undermining the free will of the people. By exposing people to pressures and brainwashing to vote for some person.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut opening bank a/c (other than no frill acc) needs PAN, anything abv 49999 need PAn - be realistic @KetPan
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@KetPan its not tht way bro ..... suppose 40% vote - and the winner gets 60% votes - so effectively he wins on 25% VOTE @Vidyut @AnilAarush
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua by magnifying competition among political polarities and wasting further national resources in pissing contests.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@KetPan they would be more accountable - middle class constitutes a huge percentage @Vidyut @AnilAarush @jemin_p
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua heard of form 16A? @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut @KetPan @AnilAarush @jemin_p thts y i told - option of none of abv - and if more than 50% vote for NO… (cont) http://deck.ly/~PhPv1
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@KetPan it wud make politicos more accountable @AnilAarush @jemin_p @Vidyut
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua Would just add to the election expenses in my opinion. @Vidyut @AnilAarush @jemin_p
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut haha thts not called competition among political polarities - thts democracy which u said u respect
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua I hope you are aware that most of the population has no frills accounts, and rarely deposits above 50K? @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua Also, I don't think politicians prioritize getting re-elected over recovering election expenses @Vidyut @AnilAarush @jemin_p
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua what is more, you can get around the 50K limit simply by splitting the deposit slips. @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
.@sureshnakhua democracy is the rule of the people through representatives. Pissing contests are the quality of the representatives.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut i hv definitely heard about form 16. i was talking specifically abt middle class @ketpan @AnilAarush @jemin_p
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@KetPan thts a misconception sir - othrwise Shared Powar wudnt hv developed Baramati @Vidyut @AnilAarush @jemin_p
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut u mean representatives elected by 25% of popular vote ?
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua that is the quality of options, not quantity of votes that is dividing the percentage.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua but, FWIW, yes.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut if u r not happy with options - take a dip urself -
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua I would be another bad choice... I am a thinker. But still, I may once my son is older.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut sure. frankly think tht if u hv to clean filth from gutter, good ppl will hvae to enter gutter @jemin_p @KetPan @AnilAarush
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua administrating takes a heck of management thinking, which is not my forte. But I may develop those skills for my country.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua It is not a gutter. Only that too many pigs are camped there. It is a beautiful country. @jemin_p @KetPan @AnilAarush
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut agree country is great .......... i was referring to general political atmosphere @jemin_p @KetPan @AnilAarush
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua As Indian voter, I have full RIGHT to demand clean politics even by being out side the system @Vidyut @KetPan @AnilAarush
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut guess - gutter = politics, all the mre cuz of politician in it, bt i still wuld say politics is not dirty tht much too @sureshnakhua
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p I think everyone wants that. The question is who will bell the cat. @sureshnakhua @KetPan @AnilAarush
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p y wud they listen to u if u dont vote ? @Vidyut @AnilAarush @KetPan
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua it is their JOB to listen to citizens - not conditional blackmail for votes. @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua read - wat i said Indian VOTER - also maalik u forgot my fav subject is high voting 😛 @Vidyut @AnilAarush @KetPan
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut u r mumbaite rite? just tell me how many times did corporator of ur area came to listen to ur grievanc… (cont) http://deck.ly/~FPJx7
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut v by constant vigilance - high voting -persuading right candidate in the process (long one though) @AnilAarush @KetPan @sureshnakhua
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p i was just making a point @Vidyut @AnilAarush @KetPan
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua What is Baramati's voter turnout? Is it significantly greater than that of Mumbai? @Vidyut @AnilAarush @jemin_p
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut My 2009 blog - http://bit.ly/p3WPeG Why should v vote - tries to ans - @Vidyut @AnilAarush @KetPan @sureshnakhua
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut and how did they get that job? By the voting, na? @sureshnakhua @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p "high voting" is the red herring. If you have a good candidate, 100 voters will show a trend. @AnilAarush @KetPan @sureshnakhua
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua Let's assume Keshu Patel was ineffective & NaMo is effective. What was voter turnout difference? @Vidyut @AnilAarush @jemin_p
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut agreed - bt end of the day every thing boild down to target audience n prospective beneficiary @AnilAarush @KetPan @sureshnakhua
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua In fact perhaps NaMo was sort of appointed as CM; was not CM-candidate to begin with. @Vidyut @AnilAarush @jemin_p
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut exactly thts y v need to vote . ask any LIGs - the same corporator wud hv gone thr hundreds of time… (cont) http://deck.ly/~lMaT0
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb that is a simplistic jump to conclusion. Realistic is there weren't better options. @sureshnakhua @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut my theory - min 3 election of constant high voting will churn out unwanted particles out - not befor tht
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua They wouldn't listen to you even if you vote, if their listening lessens their 'profits' 🙂 @jemin_p @Vidyut @AnilAarush
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut if candidate was good - thn 100 voters will show trend ? thn how did meera sanyal lost in Mumbai @KetPan @AnilAarush @jemin_p
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p what is the data you used to arrive at that hypothesis? Any precedents, existing trends...?
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@KetPan Guj voting % is around 60% and in times of Keshubhai was hovering around 15% @Vidyut @jemin_p @AnilAarush
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua Who's Meera Sanyal? 😀 @Vidyut @AnilAarush @jemin_p
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut is not voting solution then? Voting in huge no. has given more results than not voting @sureshnakhua @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb I am not saying don't vote. I am saying, don't make it mandatory - difference. @sureshnakhua @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@KetPan did i say 15% - thn its typo - during keshubhai's time it was hovering around 45% @Vidyut @jemin_p @AnilAarush
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut @KetPan also abstaining from voting- is also a pseudo voting one does for elected member is disguise - no decision is also a decison
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua Okay, 45% sounds believable. 🙂 @Vidyut @jemin_p @AnilAarush
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut is mandatory with none of the above option okay? @sureshnakhua @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
RT @jemin_p: @Vidyut @KetPan also abstaining from voting- is also a pseudo voting one does for elected member is disguise - no decision is also a decison
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb so that needs studied for what factors made more people vote, and what got results. @sureshnakhua @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p Which is not a bad thing unless and until one's sure that the other person not getting voted is *actually better*. @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p absolutely correct. and people should have the freedom to do it. @sureshnakhua @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p Why do we have to presume that the candidate who does *not* win would've been more effective and cleaner? @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb makes little sense - for voting is to select a option, if i m not wrong @sureshnakhua @vidyut @AnilAarush @KetPan
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
+100 RT @KetPan: @jemin_p Why do we have to presume that the candidate who does *not* win would've been more effective and cleaner? @Vidyut
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@KetPan i never say tht - infact i say he will be corrupt too - n hence the theory of 3 election cycle in the article @Vidyut
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p How and why will things change in three (or more) election cycles? @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
RT @PunditComment: Could someone please check what happened between April and now and who met with Suhel Seth? Highly amusing performance on @thenewshour
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
RT @KetPan: @jemin_p How and why will things change in three (or more) election cycles? @Vidyut
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut do ppl compare the candidates of their constituency fr election n get convinced that none of them is good b4 deciding not to vote?
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p you are speaking of 15 years where 5 are reasonably sure to fail. Big investment. On what basis? @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb I don't know. I am going by the fact that none inspired support.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@KetPan @Vidyut lets take a scenario of one hypothetical constituency, where voting percentage is very (cont) http://tl.gd/c1i96l
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p I've read your entire blog post and commented there as well. 🙂 @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut send u the particular abstract of the theory @ketpan
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@KetPan didnt recv ur comment 🙁 - bt my point lies thr - nd i have not gvn benefit of doubt to loose to b clean, its only vigilance @vidyut
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut ok. Now that you dont vote, do you check personal abilities of all the candidates b4 convincing urself that none of them is good?
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb That is a good question, I must say. 🙂 @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut no shortcuts mam, time may increase even, bt cleaner politics wont b immediate @ketpan @sureshnakhua @AnilAarush @dibyabttb
jemin_p
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb I would say this is a better point of intervention than voting. Can information about candidates be made more easily available?
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut of course. Candidates ll give info if voters want to seek more info about their candidates/leaders.
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb that is not what I am saying. On asked, everyone will give. But to increase informed voting, can it be organized?
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut @jemin_p @KetPan @AnilAarush sorry guys lappy conked off - hd to search for charger
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut when a candidate asks you for your vote, seek his info from him. Ask his vision, plans and ideas.
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb mandatory voting will not necessarily increase informed votes or accountability. People can vote for anyone, from compulsion
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut @dibyabttb mandatory voting wud definitely increase accountability @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb again, that is an individual's initiative. Not everyone will do it. How about organized interviews covered by cable channels?
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@sureshnakhua lol. You have high faith in humans. @dibyabttb @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut i do hv faith in hindusthan to be precise @dibyabttb @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut i already said - its a long term solution - not like some noodle - 2 min mein ban jaayega @dibyabttb @jemin_p @AnilAarush @KetPan
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@jemin_p http://bit.ly/r6oxgR has some non-force ideas for better accountability @sureshnakhua @dibyabttb @AnilAarush @KetPan
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut But info giver ll take interest when the info seeker takes interest. Interaction w/ other voters is 1 way to make informed decision
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb It won't work. Psychology. Trust me 😛 The one who wants votes must tempt the one giving them. That is the natural way.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb to some extent, they do - liquor, saris, etc. But that is not what the middle class wants. They want inspiration.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut used to be public meetings where all candidates used to come and speak. In the past. That stopped when ppl stopped taking int
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb so cover them and beam them into homes. Cable TV. Hold competitions for best questions to ask candidates. Civil society.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb Making an automatic connection between pre-election talk and keeping those words is not wise. @Vidyut
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb how many of us - i again mean middle class do interact with our elected represnetatives @Vidyut @jemin_p @KetPan
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut but there is not the only one who wants your vote, no?
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb exactly. Let them work for it. You spoon feed votes, how the fuck will they run the country if they can't get their own votes?
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut sure. Who will do that? The People.
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb did you read article?
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
RT @_R_Srikanth: @KetPan if we view voting as feedback on governance (as it be ideally), an uninformed vote is liable to slew results worse than no vote.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
Exactly http://j.mp/qOFe4y by @_R_Srikanth
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut on mobile. Will read tomorrow for sure. Btw nice talking. Have to leave now. Good night
dibyabttb
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb yes. Local bodies, amateur journalists, local wedding video walas Cable TV operators should provide this as service.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@dibyabttb @sureshnakhua @jemin_p @KetPan Good night! Thank you everyone! This was a very interesting discussion.
Vidyut
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut Sorry, but didn't really raise any new issues for me. 🙂 @dibyabttb @sureshnakhua @jemin_p
KetPan
July 29, 2011
@Vidyut read the blog - well written but felt sort of cynicism hidden in the blog - didnt get anything new o… (cont) http://deck.ly/~P7tdP
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011
Thx everyone @Vidyut @KetPan @AnilAarush @jemin_p @dibyabttb for a nice discussion Good nite tk care - and dammit its weekend - so enjoy
sureshnakhua
July 29, 2011