Baba Ramdev's fast and India's moral death

As an atheist who calls atheism irrelevant to her religious beliefs because it is already too much effort spent thinking on the subject… I had never thought I’d see the day when I would speak up in support of a religious figure. But then, I am a believer in people. And, like with Vastanvi, in this case too, the religiousness of the subject is peripheral, and my issue is with what is happening with people.

I have no idea whether Baba Ramdev is genuine or fake. He may be a publicity stunt, he may be the real deal or he may be a political tool. I don’t know. I have never been into yoga, or gymnastics or mental masturbation.

What makes me write this article is the lynching Baba Ramdev is suffering in a supposedly tolerant country. It is the same thing as Hazare faced, as many other people faced. If he is truly fake and will fast for two days before changing his mind, I guess, it can’t be hidden. If he is the real deal and he ends up in trouble because no one took him seriously and thought they could simply ignore him, I’d say a heck of  a lot of people would have it on their conscience, whether they took responsibility for their actions or not. Not because I believe that a “fast” should be pacified by default, but for trivializing his voice so that it is sabotaged. This is a common practice in our country whenever any status quo is touched. That bothers me.

Heck, I don’t even know what he wants apart from ending corruption. As in, I have no clue on the specifics of his demands, I don’t know when he started fasting, I don’t know if he has declared a fast to death or not…. nothing. I was busy with other things. I got aware of it when I laughed at something funny someone said about him. Wicked that I am, bashing anything religion makes me feel great. But then the tone kept changing. It was no longer about finding him funny or even religious.

“Jokes” like “When Baba Ramdev dies, he should be buried with his money” started floating around. And I was like…. whoa? Are we really eagerly discussing death scenarios for someone for someone who we think is a fake? While nothing has happened on the physical plane, the image in my mind is that a pack of dogs tearing into someone for sport – not even food. It was the same image I had after the Sialkot lynching of the two boys in Pakistan. Few people made them out to be the villains and led the charge. The bloodthirsty crowd enjoyed the spectacle and participated to whatever extent they were comfortable.

I have been speaking of intolerance being our undoing. Democracy is not only about a citizen being free to do what he wants, but his right to do so being respected by other citizens. No one is asking anyone to sit in support. But to attack a man for being something you don’t like is… ethically illegal? I don’t know. Maybe its the wrong word.

It brings to mind the calls to assassinate Julian Assange over Wikileaks. Whether he was right or wrong is besides the point. Whether someone acted on it is besides the point. That kind of hatred is corrosive. It reeks of intolerance. It reeks of considering yourself as somehow superior and more morally correct than another for no real reason. It reeks of the lack of values of dignity – as though one person has a right to strip another of all claims to being a valid person.

Frankly, I have made fun of the man often enough. I find it funny that he seems fascinated with the cameras and is always sneaking looks at them. Then I saw a video of me. I do that too. I am hideously camera conscious. He still sneaks glances as though he is checking, I do brief stares with outright mistrust like a horse grazing in a field stares suspiciously at an intruder. It is so bad, that I have no real “good” photos of me at all. I crop my profile pics out of group photos where I’m not paying attention. Maybe I am fake too.

There are nasty comments about his money. Yet, many of these critics go to places of worship. The fact of people and places of worship is that they are given money by people who believe in them. Just like political parties are sponsored by people who believe in them, think tanks enjoy the support of those they create supporting proofs for, and open source coders writing useful plugins get people clicking little Paypal buttons to “buy them a coffee”. Unless someone wants to prove that the money is illegal, or that he forced someone to pay him, this talk is sour grapes.

Most of these conversations are led by those who have stakes of influence being challenged. A sorrowfully large number of people are supporting simply because the logic is familiar. It is one grounded in “security”, in resisting unknown, high stakes change. I find that sad, because most of these people are also the ones thirsting the most for change. It is folly to insist on doing the same thing over and over and expect change. It is beyond fear politics to have your main argument that an entire country of people is incapable of being ethical enough for the change to be viable.

Somehow, the fantasy is that a country that walked the streets to force the government to create the Lokpal or fight corruption, or whatever, will be impotent to bring him down if he goes rogue. This visual is one of someone standing on a precarious perch with legs locked tightly to prevent falling. He neither climbs, nor falls, only goes weary with fatigue till the whole thing is pointless. The ones who don’t want things crowded at the top say “Hey, nice fear this one! It worked!”

As far as I know, I have never intended anyone any harm, I am extremely naive about many things, and I have often been lynched for being different. I feel an affinity with the man. I feel that I am not safe being me, because I’m astonishingly different from the norm, and my thoughts rock status quos routinely. So far, my articles have generated appreciation. What happens when I say something really out there? Something that some political party or lobby starts thinking will challenge their playgrounds? When those who disagree want to stop my voice completely?

Will I then be surrounded by people visualizing dancing on my grave?

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44 Comments on "Baba Ramdev's fast and India's moral death"

  1. with regards to people above,
    i would like to bring in to your notice that along with rights, indians have certain duties as well.
    Do we adhere to them? i have always seen people criticising indian constituion or the any government in power. How can we expect people round the globe to respect indian culture when within indian there are thousands of mouths to speak against india and its culture and its administration?
    ministers we choose, politicians we elect.
    and then the PM is elected by the cabinet members.But who has given those cabinet members the autonomy to elect PM?
    its “you, me and i”.
    when we are so immature in choosing our leader, how can we speak hogwash on public sites or forums about our own elected government and leaders?
    i am a student and i personally dont favour any BJP or CONGRESS.
    but yes i favour a person who is neutral and is only working towards the progress of our country.
    Its very easy to sit back at home in ACs and comment on events poles opposite to us. what i have observed in our country is, nobody is working to benefit “bharat mata” but each politician or bureaucrat or even an individual is busy bullying and winning over the debates such as corruption.
    If mr. sibal says something then nitin gadkari or uma bharti have something to retort back?
    its just the word game in action and it really is ebbing down the real essence of indian culture.
    i just want to get into the system and change it. And i surely will one day.
    but i want to request my fellow beings to stop acting emotionally or in a provocative manner but act judiciousely

  2. with regards to people above,
    i would like to bring in to your notice that along with rights, indians have certain duties as well.
    Do we adhere to them? i have always seen people criticising indian constituion or the any government in power. How can we expect people round the globe to respect indian culture when within indian there are thousands of mouths to speak against india and its culture and its administration?
    ministers we choose, politicians we elect.
    and then the PM is elected by the cabinet members.But who has given those cabinet members the autonomy to elect PM?
    its “you, me and i”.
    when we are so immature in choosing our leader, how can we speak hogwash on public sites or forums about our own elected government and leaders?
    i am a student and i personally dont favour any BJP or CONGRESS.
    but yes i favour a person who is neutral and is only working towards the progress of our country.
    Its very easy to sit back at home in ACs and comment on events poles opposite to us. what i have observed in our country is, nobody is working to benefit “bharat mata” but each politician or bureaucrat or even an individual is busy bullying and winning over the debates such as corruption.
    If mr. sibal says something then nitin gadkari or uma bharti have something to retort back?
    its just the word game in action and it really is ebbing down the real essence of indian culture.
    i just want to get into the system and change it. And i surely will one day.
    but i want to request my fellow beings to stop acting emotionally or in a provocative manner but act judiciousely

  3. I think the point most people miss is that at the root of it, Anna and Ramdev want the same thing. Different strokes for different folks. People who may not speak up for a mainstream movement, may speak up because of belief in their guru.

    At the end of the day, Ramdev can’t win and call the shots, like the paranoia mongers say, simply because we are a country. The civil society will have its say. The conditions are for the government, not people. Even if they were for the people, the people wouldn’t accept it when things reached that stage.

    Dividing the movement on technicalities serves no one.

    Also, for those who think the govt doesn’t prefer Anna, they are wrong. The govt does prefer Anna, because they are still able to derail him. To move Ramdev, they had to use techniques that backfired.

    It is also exposing the hypocrisy of the intellectuals as well as government – the anti-Hindu bias. Heck, I am no Hindutva supporter, but as a firm believer in democracy, I believe that if there is separation of church and state as the ideal, then it should work both ways. While the system must not support religious movements, it also must not prevent. Religion should be truly irrelevant, or its an act.

    • Sujata Srinath | June 28, 2011 at 11:12 am | Reply

      I have a Q for you, Vidyut. I am also a Woman, Mother, and Thinker but I do not blog…I just voice my opinions aloud or as replies:)…like you say somewhere, different strokes for different people. Going back to the Q: I sincerely would like to know why there is this disclaimer after mentioning the all-pervasive ‘anti-Hindu bias’ that you are not a ‘Hindutva’ supporter? The essence of something is called its tattva…you already know this, I am sure…so what is your misgivings about being a supporter for the ‘essence of being Hindu’? I also wonder at your statement that ‘Religion should be truly irrelevant’…I could say, ‘Motherhood should be truly irrelevant’ or ‘Terrorism should be truly irrelevant’ or even, ‘Corruption should be truly irrelevant’…irrelevant to what?? The topic under discussion? Why? Each of these is awfully relevant in particular contexts and being an advocate of ‘democracy’ on one hand but denouncing or being apologetic about ‘religion’ on the other does not gel. Religion need not be beaten up…the religious aspect of Hinduism is now reduced to rituals, which were originally based on yogic practices…the connection has been lost. Whether you believe in a supreme intelligent being or force or not you will still have to get up in the morning and cook and clean and take care of your kids and believe it or not, all these tasks were made into rituals that we needed to follow in a particular way. The underlying spirituality which imbibed in us our values, ethics and codes of conduct was diluted over time and only the framework of meaningless rituals remained…and there is a reason for this but I will not go into it here. What is happening now in our country is a wake-up call to set things back on course…we need to reexamine our values, see how every institution from marriage to education to politics or mutts have been stripped of them and we need to collectively do something about it. Baba Ramdev is trying to do his bit at setting the political institution right after making remarkable headway with increasing village-level awareness of yoga. Whether he succeeds or not will be a reflection of the values of the majority of the people of this country. I agree with you: we all own this movement. 

  4. I think the point most people miss is that at the root of it, Anna and Ramdev want the same thing. Different strokes for different folks. People who may not speak up for a mainstream movement, may speak up because of belief in their guru.

    At the end of the day, Ramdev can’t win and call the shots, like the paranoia mongers say, simply because we are a country. The civil society will have its say. The conditions are for the government, not people. Even if they were for the people, the people wouldn’t accept it when things reached that stage.

    Dividing the movement on technicalities serves no one.

    Also, for those who think the govt doesn’t prefer Anna, they are wrong. The govt does prefer Anna, because they are still able to derail him. To move Ramdev, they had to use techniques that backfired.

    It is also exposing the hypocrisy of the intellectuals as well as government – the anti-Hindu bias. Heck, I am no Hindutva supporter, but as a firm believer in democracy, I believe that if there is separation of church and state as the ideal, then it should work both ways. While the system must not support religious movements, it also must not prevent. Religion should be truly irrelevant, or its an act.

    • Sujata Srinath | June 28, 2011 at 11:12 am | Reply

      I have a Q for you, Vidyut. I am also a Woman, Mother, and Thinker but I do not blog…I just voice my opinions aloud or as replies:)…like you say somewhere, different strokes for different people. Going back to the Q: I sincerely would like to know why there is this disclaimer after mentioning the all-pervasive ‘anti-Hindu bias’ that you are not a ‘Hindutva’ supporter? The essence of something is called its tattva…you already know this, I am sure…so what is your misgivings about being a supporter for the ‘essence of being Hindu’? I also wonder at your statement that ‘Religion should be truly irrelevant’…I could say, ‘Motherhood should be truly irrelevant’ or ‘Terrorism should be truly irrelevant’ or even, ‘Corruption should be truly irrelevant’…irrelevant to what?? The topic under discussion? Why? Each of these is awfully relevant in particular contexts and being an advocate of ‘democracy’ on one hand but denouncing or being apologetic about ‘religion’ on the other does not gel. Religion need not be beaten up…the religious aspect of Hinduism is now reduced to rituals, which were originally based on yogic practices…the connection has been lost. Whether you believe in a supreme intelligent being or force or not you will still have to get up in the morning and cook and clean and take care of your kids and believe it or not, all these tasks were made into rituals that we needed to follow in a particular way. The underlying spirituality which imbibed in us our values, ethics and codes of conduct was diluted over time and only the framework of meaningless rituals remained…and there is a reason for this but I will not go into it here. What is happening now in our country is a wake-up call to set things back on course…we need to reexamine our values, see how every institution from marriage to education to politics or mutts have been stripped of them and we need to collectively do something about it. Baba Ramdev is trying to do his bit at setting the political institution right after making remarkable headway with increasing village-level awareness of yoga. Whether he succeeds or not will be a reflection of the values of the majority of the people of this country. I agree with you: we all own this movement. 

  5. Thank you dost log. If you like, please be sure to share and spread the word. I would also suggest thinking and sharing your own views. If we all own the movement, criticizing one person makes no difference!

  6. Thank you dost log. If you like, please be sure to share and spread the word. I would also suggest thinking and sharing your own views. If we all own the movement, criticizing one person makes no difference!

  7. I can’t really take Ramdev seriously because even though his demand for removing corruption is a good thing, his methods are anything but. He seems to just demand stuff and give simplistic solutions including:

    1. Banning Rs.500 and Rs.1000 notes (to prevent large cash transfers!)
    2. Hanging people found guilty of corruption (dangerous by any standard)

    Supporting Ramdev would also mean I support his crackpot theories. He came out quite openly to say that he doesn’t want the PM and the CJI to come under the ambit of the Lokpal. I find that quite repulsive…

  8. I can’t really take Ramdev seriously because even though his demand for removing corruption is a good thing, his methods are anything but. He seems to just demand stuff and give simplistic solutions including:

    1. Banning Rs.500 and Rs.1000 notes (to prevent large cash transfers!)
    2. Hanging people found guilty of corruption (dangerous by any standard)

    Supporting Ramdev would also mean I support his crackpot theories. He came out quite openly to say that he doesn’t want the PM and the CJI to come under the ambit of the Lokpal. I find that quite repulsive…

    • You seem to want Ramdev to give you a readymade country. He is proposing a change, not instant coffee. He is also not suggesting a monarchy. If some demands don’t make sense, they can be negotiated. But to wholesale discard an idea because you don’t like a part or two of it, helps no one.

      It is like saying your post is meaningless because you began with negativity and ignoring everything. Ok, so you may have begun with prejudice against the man, but what else are you saying? Is it all worthless?I cannot help your opinions on the man. I used to think he was a crackpot too, but I see merit in these ideas is all I can say. I’m not marrying him, I’m agreeing with him on something that is making sense to me. I don’t need to like all he ever does.

      • Indeed. One need not agree with everything a person says to stand with him/her on a broader issue.

        But Ramdev’s fast in particular states that these crackpot ideas are a precondition. Anna Hazare’s fast on the other hand demanded the setting up of a committee to discuss and formulate the Lokpal bill. He didn’t say it’s either his version of the bill or nothing.

        Ramdev on the other hand is militant in his demands. He won’t give up his fast unless his crazy ideas are met.

        So while one person goes on a fast to demand a discussion, the other goes on a fast to force his peculiar methods down people’s throat. The former speaks for me. The latter only claims to speak for me.

        • Anna Hazare’s “Fasts” are just (Ideological) Farts..short, noisy and drawing too much undue attention.. Why does he always keep 2 months gap between two consecutive fasts (April-June, June-August), even when issues are so pressingly urgent ? What is a 10:00 am to 06:00 pm fast ? Everyone is on fast from 10:00 pm to 06:00 am… Hazare is another face of “establishment” and he will never be “discredited” or handled with force..Baba is a rebel and will be decimated as State will apply all its might against him…

          • Hazare is a face of the “establishment?” From which angle?

          • Ashutosh Deexit | June 10, 2011 at 7:58 am |

            What is a 10:00 am to 06:00 pm FAST ? It is just an ideological “FART”; short, harmless yet drawing a lot of attention. Everyone is on such a FAST daily from 10:00 pm to 06:00 am…

            Gandhian Opponent, opposing a Government that proclaims it to be treading on Gandhian Philosophy…An enemy created by the Establishment is always better to manage than one created by opposing forces…Anna enjoys support from Delhi Elite, who have reaped all the benefits from Gandhian Farce…Urban youth, who have a limited understanding of politics (guys, politics sucks) could be easily manipulated to side with Anna and shun Ramdev…If Anna succeeds to pull crowds, it is manageable/managed…and therefore he is Establishment…

          • No – “establishment” means he’s part of the government or enjoys government support. The government neither likes Hazare and neither is Hazare part of any political group. Therefore he is not part of the “establishment.”

            And there is no “elite.” Just citizens of India.

          • Ashutosh Deexit | June 10, 2011 at 1:39 pm |

            Yes. He enjoys tacit support of this Government. Look at the media coverage (and praise from allied elites) he gets even when on this short, noisy fast…whereas Ramdev is being systematically discredited by the same media.

            In India, no popular movement will ever be allowed to be led by a Saffron rebel. Gandhians are welcome as they are ‘docile’ and therefore manageable.

          • The media and the government are at war here. The government would rather that everyone just keep quiet and focus on something else. The media and Hazare won’t let that happen.

            Ramdev is being discredited for good reason. His outrageous statements of creating his own army, banning 500 and 1000 rupee notes, his crazy ideas on homosexuality….and you worry about why he’s being discredited?

            Gandhians may be docile, but they get results. Within four days Hazare was able to browbeat the government into setting up a Lokpal panes with civil society members. Without raising his voice and without raising his fists. What more do you want?

            Do you have any proof that the government likes Hazare? So far he is a massive pain in the butt to them 🙂

          • Ashutosh Deexit | June 10, 2011 at 4:17 pm |

            A draft of Lokpal Bill was already ready with Sonia’s NAC. Aruna Roy, a prominent member of Sonia’s NAC is also Arvind Kejriwal’s mentor. NAC met with Civil Society members (a select few, chosen by them) and within a few days of that meeting Anna went on fast….

            Story is simple and straight…

            Sonia’s NAC wanted its Lokpal Draft approved by both Government and Opposition ‘as-it-is’. 

            If they somehow persuade the Government to propose NAC’s Draft, BJP (alongwith Left and other smaller parties) will oppose it as it gave sweeping powers to a “non-elected” person.

            With Anna’s fast (first one) amid full media coverage, Sonia’s team got in to the Draft Panel and now they want the “original/NAC’s Draft” to become the Panel’s Draft.

            With Lokpal been touted as Panacea against Corruption (Anna promises 65% reduction; wow, quite statistical !!) , no political party will dare to oppose it….

            NAC’s website has even  published the names of Civil Society Members whom they consulted on NAC’s Draft and quite surprisingly they are all on Lokpal Panel now…

          • You’re joking right? The draft Lokpal bill is nothing like the bill that Hazare and his team wants to put into place. One example is the difference about bringing the PM and the CJI under the scanner as well. 

            Another difference talks about having bureaucrats beneath a certain level being covered. Yet another difference is the Lokpal bill being merely advisory vs it having real prosecutorial powers.

            From which angle do you say that the two versions are the same?

          • Ashutosh Deexit | June 11, 2011 at 2:06 am |

            You are confused between NAC’s Draft Lokpal Bill, Civil Society’s Draft  and Government’s Draft..

          • You’re not seriously implying that the NAC draft bill is exactly the same as the one proposed by Hazare and the civil society are you?

  9. I can’t really take Ramdev seriously because even though his demand for removing corruption is a good thing, his methods are anything but. He seems to just demand stuff and give simplistic solutions including:

    1. Banning Rs.500 and Rs.1000 notes (to prevent large cash transfers!)
    2. Hanging people found guilty of corruption (dangerous by any standard)

    Supporting Ramdev would also mean I support his crackpot theories. He came out quite openly to say that he doesn’t want the PM and the CJI to come under the ambit of the Lokpal. I find that quite repulsive…

  10. I can’t really take Ramdev seriously because even though his demand for removing corruption is a good thing, his methods are anything but. He seems to just demand stuff and give simplistic solutions including:

    1. Banning Rs.500 and Rs.1000 notes (to prevent large cash transfers!)
    2. Hanging people found guilty of corruption (dangerous by any standard)

    Supporting Ramdev would also mean I support his crackpot theories. He came out quite openly to say that he doesn’t want the PM and the CJI to come under the ambit of the Lokpal. I find that quite repulsive…

    • You seem to want Ramdev to give you a readymade country. He is proposing a change, not instant coffee. He is also not suggesting a monarchy. If some demands don’t make sense, they can be negotiated. But to wholesale discard an idea because you don’t like a part or two of it, helps no one.

      It is like saying your post is meaningless because you began with negativity and ignoring everything. Ok, so you may have begun with prejudice against the man, but what else are you saying? Is it all worthless?I cannot help your opinions on the man. I used to think he was a crackpot too, but I see merit in these ideas is all I can say. I’m not marrying him, I’m agreeing with him on something that is making sense to me. I don’t need to like all he ever does.

      • Indeed. One need not agree with everything a person says to stand with him/her on a broader issue.

        But Ramdev’s fast in particular states that these crackpot ideas are a precondition. Anna Hazare’s fast on the other hand demanded the setting up of a committee to discuss and formulate the Lokpal bill. He didn’t say it’s either his version of the bill or nothing.

        Ramdev on the other hand is militant in his demands. He won’t give up his fast unless his crazy ideas are met.

        So while one person goes on a fast to demand a discussion, the other goes on a fast to force his peculiar methods down people’s throat. The former speaks for me. The latter only claims to speak for me.

        • Anna Hazare’s “Fasts” are just (Ideological) Farts..short, noisy and drawing too much undue attention.. Why does he always keep 2 months gap between two consecutive fasts (April-June, June-August), even when issues are so pressingly urgent ? What is a 10:00 am to 06:00 pm fast ? Everyone is on fast from 10:00 pm to 06:00 am… Hazare is another face of “establishment” and he will never be “discredited” or handled with force..Baba is a rebel and will be decimated as State will apply all its might against him…

          • Hazare is a face of the “establishment?” From which angle?

          • Ashutosh Deexit | June 10, 2011 at 7:58 am |

            What is a 10:00 am to 06:00 pm FAST ? It is just an ideological “FART”; short, harmless yet drawing a lot of attention. Everyone is on such a FAST daily from 10:00 pm to 06:00 am…

            Gandhian Opponent, opposing a Government that proclaims it to be treading on Gandhian Philosophy…An enemy created by the Establishment is always better to manage than one created by opposing forces…Anna enjoys support from Delhi Elite, who have reaped all the benefits from Gandhian Farce…Urban youth, who have a limited understanding of politics (guys, politics sucks) could be easily manipulated to side with Anna and shun Ramdev…If Anna succeeds to pull crowds, it is manageable/managed…and therefore he is Establishment…

          • No – “establishment” means he’s part of the government or enjoys government support. The government neither likes Hazare and neither is Hazare part of any political group. Therefore he is not part of the “establishment.”

            And there is no “elite.” Just citizens of India.

          • Ashutosh Deexit | June 10, 2011 at 1:39 pm |

            Yes. He enjoys tacit support of this Government. Look at the media coverage (and praise from allied elites) he gets even when on this short, noisy fast…whereas Ramdev is being systematically discredited by the same media.

            In India, no popular movement will ever be allowed to be led by a Saffron rebel. Gandhians are welcome as they are ‘docile’ and therefore manageable.

          • The media and the government are at war here. The government would rather that everyone just keep quiet and focus on something else. The media and Hazare won’t let that happen.

            Ramdev is being discredited for good reason. His outrageous statements of creating his own army, banning 500 and 1000 rupee notes, his crazy ideas on homosexuality….and you worry about why he’s being discredited?

            Gandhians may be docile, but they get results. Within four days Hazare was able to browbeat the government into setting up a Lokpal panes with civil society members. Without raising his voice and without raising his fists. What more do you want?

            Do you have any proof that the government likes Hazare? So far he is a massive pain in the butt to them 🙂

          • Ashutosh Deexit | June 10, 2011 at 4:17 pm |

            A draft of Lokpal Bill was already ready with Sonia’s NAC. Aruna Roy, a prominent member of Sonia’s NAC is also Arvind Kejriwal’s mentor. NAC met with Civil Society members (a select few, chosen by them) and within a few days of that meeting Anna went on fast….

            Story is simple and straight…

            Sonia’s NAC wanted its Lokpal Draft approved by both Government and Opposition ‘as-it-is’. 

            If they somehow persuade the Government to propose NAC’s Draft, BJP (alongwith Left and other smaller parties) will oppose it as it gave sweeping powers to a “non-elected” person.

            With Anna’s fast (first one) amid full media coverage, Sonia’s team got in to the Draft Panel and now they want the “original/NAC’s Draft” to become the Panel’s Draft.

            With Lokpal been touted as Panacea against Corruption (Anna promises 65% reduction; wow, quite statistical !!) , no political party will dare to oppose it….

            NAC’s website has even  published the names of Civil Society Members whom they consulted on NAC’s Draft and quite surprisingly they are all on Lokpal Panel now…

          • You’re joking right? The draft Lokpal bill is nothing like the bill that Hazare and his team wants to put into place. One example is the difference about bringing the PM and the CJI under the scanner as well. 

            Another difference talks about having bureaucrats beneath a certain level being covered. Yet another difference is the Lokpal bill being merely advisory vs it having real prosecutorial powers.

            From which angle do you say that the two versions are the same?

          • Ashutosh Deexit | June 11, 2011 at 2:06 am |

            You are confused between NAC’s Draft Lokpal Bill, Civil Society’s Draft  and Government’s Draft..

          • You’re not seriously implying that the NAC draft bill is exactly the same as the one proposed by Hazare and the civil society are you?

  11. Vidyut cleared her religious in the second word so she is neither right nor left.The issue is Baba Ramdeb, what he is asking the govt is not land for another Ashram or Yogpeeth. He is asking for some issues which would benefit comman man and in this case its u and me.I have seen many Hindu Hriday samrats who apart frm vada pau stalls for their followers have done nothing.Have seen Mesiah of Muslims who apart from adding 1 more holiday on Idd Milad have done nothing to improve their  lot.If babaji is a nautanky then he has dug his own grave by his fast unto death. If he is genuine we collectively benefit.

  12. Vidyut cleared her religious in the second word so she is neither right nor left.The issue is Baba Ramdeb, what he is asking the govt is not land for another Ashram or Yogpeeth. He is asking for some issues which would benefit comman man and in this case its u and me.I have seen many Hindu Hriday samrats who apart frm vada pau stalls for their followers have done nothing.Have seen Mesiah of Muslims who apart from adding 1 more holiday on Idd Milad have done nothing to improve their  lot.If babaji is a nautanky then he has dug his own grave by his fast unto death. If he is genuine we collectively benefit.

  13. Empathy is a good thing. However it cannot – and should not – be used as a reason to support a person. Especially a person with a track record for — nothing. Someone who thinks in the 17th century, thinks our issues are in the 19th century, and dreams of political power in the 21st. 

    Feel sorry for this “baba” if you must, but don’t get blinded to the reality of who he is, what he proposes, and what it means for Modern India to support him, and his ilk.

    • Frankly, I see nothing wrong with what he proposes. What he stands for is evident. The country being congruent with its citizens. A fraction of the urban society gains from this development we are going through and that is precarious. Prices are still rising, the affluent are shrinking in number and people are miserable. Villages are literally left with little hope other than to look toward cityfying. Big problems in that direction we are currently headed. This BPO industry and all you were talking about isn’t going to last much for the simple reason that the clients are increasingly grudging the outsourcing as their own economies flounder. Morever the state of our education is such that we are actually hiring foreigners in some cases while our educated graduates are unemployed because they are not suitable. The magnitude of all this is so vast that a comment can’t begin to touch it.

      I can write a dozen posts and have things left.

      All I want you to consider is the arrogance of assuming that something you don’t see sense in is necessarily inferior, just because the speaker is dressed so etc. You don’t comprehend nanotech either. Such prejudice helps no one.

  14. Empathy is a good thing. However it cannot – and should not – be used as a reason to support a person. Especially a person with a track record for — nothing. Someone who thinks in the 17th century, thinks our issues are in the 19th century, and dreams of political power in the 21st. 

    Feel sorry for this “baba” if you must, but don’t get blinded to the reality of who he is, what he proposes, and what it means for Modern India to support him, and his ilk.

    • Frankly, I see nothing wrong with what he proposes. What he stands for is evident. The country being congruent with its citizens. A fraction of the urban society gains from this development we are going through and that is precarious. Prices are still rising, the affluent are shrinking in number and people are miserable. Villages are literally left with little hope other than to look toward cityfying. Big problems in that direction we are currently headed. This BPO industry and all you were talking about isn’t going to last much for the simple reason that the clients are increasingly grudging the outsourcing as their own economies flounder. Morever the state of our education is such that we are actually hiring foreigners in some cases while our educated graduates are unemployed because they are not suitable. The magnitude of all this is so vast that a comment can’t begin to touch it.

      I can write a dozen posts and have things left.

      All I want you to consider is the arrogance of assuming that something you don’t see sense in is necessarily inferior, just because the speaker is dressed so etc. You don’t comprehend nanotech either. Such prejudice helps no one.

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